NEW YORK (AP): As the humbled bosses of the United States auto industry spend the weekend preparing their second case for a federal bailout, their best argument may come in November's auto sales figures.

Industry watchers and car dealers say they expect this month's vehicle sales to come out slightly better than October's historic lows, but increased incentives have not been enough to overcome tight credit, the crumbling economy and weak consumer confidence that are keeping consumers away from showrooms.

"All those major factors that had an impact on new car demand so far this year are still with us," said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for the automotive website Edmunds.com.

Edmunds is expecting sales to drop 28 per cent from a year ago to 850,000 units when automakers announce their November sales Tuesday. Barclays auto analyst Brian Johnson predicts a 32 per cent plunge. Other analysts are just as pessimistic and expect US car companies to take the biggest hit.

"Detroit Three automakers appear likely to once again lag the industry in both retail and total sales," Citigroup analyst Itay Michaeli wrote in a report this week.

Bright side

But if there's a bright side, it's that industry watchers are expecting a slight improvement over October's total of 838,156 vehicles. October's seasonally adjusted annual sales rate of 10.6 million vehicles was the worst in more than 25 years and far below the rate of 16 million a year earlier, according to Autodata Corp.

Analysts say a number of factors may have stabilised sales, the most obvious being the collapse in gasolene prices, which have shed 75 cents a gallon in the past month.

The average price of regular gas nationwide was US$1.84 a gallon (3.8 litres) on Friday, down 55 per cent from the all-time high of US$4.11 in July, according to auto club AAA, the Oil Price Information Service and Wright Express.

Automakers have ramped up sales incentives to near-record levels, as well. GM launched its annual 'Red Tag' year-end sale earlier than usual and is knocking thousands of dollars off its vehicles. Toyota Motor Corp extended its zero-perc ent financing offer on 12 vehicles through the end of the month, while Nissan Motor Co launched a similar deal on some of its cars. Ford Motor Co began offering employee pricing and other deals.

incentive spending

Edmunds says average industrywide incentive spending rose 15 per cent from a year ago to US$2,625 per vehicle in November. Among the Detroit Three automakers, incentive spending has been even higher.

Individual dealers have piled on even more deals as they seek to clear out built-up inventory.

At University Dodge in Davie, Florida, buying a 2008 Dodge Ram Quad Cab that retails for US$32,0000-$40,000 gets you a standard-cab Ram at no extra cost, sales manager Ali Ahmed said.

"When we do buy-one-get-one, we're actually losing money on that deal," he said. "In the home market, it's to create a base of customers."

The offer is moving merchandise. The dealership already had sold 60 vehicles as of Wednesday, compared with 51 in November 2007.

Evergreen Ford in Issaquah, Washington, is offering Ford stock to anyone who comes in for a test drive, owner Daniel Rowe said.

His deal is simple: Test drive a car, then pick a ball from a lottery-like dispenser. Each ball has a number between 1 and 250, he said, and the number you pick is the number of shares you get.

"If a customer buys a car, they can take the number of shares and double it," said Rowe, who launched the deal on November 19. Ford shares have more than doubled since then, climbing 53 cents or 24.7 per cent to US$2.68 in Friday morning trading, as analysts said a bailout for US automakers appeared increasingly likely.

Submit plan

The companies' sales results will come the same day they must submit a detailed plan to Congress that spells out how they will remain viable if they get US$25 billion in government loans to stave off bankruptcy.

Some lawmakers and analysts have suggested General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC should use a prepackaged bankruptcy filing as the best way to cancel unfavourable contracts and restructure their costs, but the companies have said that's not a suitable option because consumers would be afraid to buy a car from a bankrupt company.

While the bailout drama may have been a worrisome sideshow to consumers, it is unlikely it has had much impact on sales, Edmunds' Toprak said.

"It's still too early to say that October is the bottom and we may be recovering," he said, "but we have some indicators that that might be the case."